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		<title>By: Vinod Moonesinghe</title>
		<link>http://kasamaproject.org/2009/05/10/science-fiction-for-socialists/#comment-45962</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vinod Moonesinghe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 00:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have missed the works of the most influential radicals in Science Fiction, the Futurists. of New York.
In particular, &#039;Gladiator at Law&#039; - a satirical look at modern capitalism, urban housing and spectator sports (it anticipated Rollerball Murder). By Cyril Kornbluth and Frederick Pohl]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have missed the works of the most influential radicals in Science Fiction, the Futurists. of New York.<br />
In particular, &#8216;Gladiator at Law&#8217; &#8211; a satirical look at modern capitalism, urban housing and spectator sports (it anticipated Rollerball Murder). By Cyril Kornbluth and Frederick Pohl</p>
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		<title>By: balzac</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if this was posted on the site before, but I recently read another of Mieville&#039;s articles &quot;Floating Utopias&quot;, which is sort of him using his position as sci-fi writer to take down the bizarre utopianism of tax-havens and American libertarianism. It&#039;s up here:

http://www.inthesetimes.org/article/3328/floating_utopias/

Also, this article and its discussion are great. I&#039;d be interested to see what some newer readers might add to it now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if this was posted on the site before, but I recently read another of Mieville&#8217;s articles &#8220;Floating Utopias&#8221;, which is sort of him using his position as sci-fi writer to take down the bizarre utopianism of tax-havens and American libertarianism. It&#8217;s up here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.inthesetimes.org/article/3328/floating_utopias/" rel="nofollow">http://www.inthesetimes.org/article/3328/floating_utopias/</a></p>
<p>Also, this article and its discussion are great. I&#8217;d be interested to see what some newer readers might add to it now.</p>
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		<title>By: [-]</title>
		<link>http://kasamaproject.org/2009/05/10/science-fiction-for-socialists/#comment-20879</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Iain M. Banks&#039; Culture can indeed be conceived as a sort of “computer-aided” anarchy. It must also be said that the Culture cycle is a very interesting way to develop philosophical and political reflections on the potential role of “intelligent” machines in an advanced society: http://yannickrumpala.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/anarchy_in_a_world_of_machines/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iain M. Banks&#8217; Culture can indeed be conceived as a sort of “computer-aided” anarchy. It must also be said that the Culture cycle is a very interesting way to develop philosophical and political reflections on the potential role of “intelligent” machines in an advanced society: <a href="http://yannickrumpala.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/anarchy_in_a_world_of_machines/" rel="nofollow">http://yannickrumpala.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/anarchy_in_a_world_of_machines/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eli Boulton</title>
		<link>http://kasamaproject.org/2009/05/10/science-fiction-for-socialists/#comment-17594</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eli Boulton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome list, although I read &quot;Swastika Night&quot; and while it was good ideologically and posed a very interesting analysis of the sexism inherent in fascism, I didn&#039;t think it was a good book on it&#039;s own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome list, although I read &#8220;Swastika Night&#8221; and while it was good ideologically and posed a very interesting analysis of the sexism inherent in fascism, I didn&#8217;t think it was a good book on it&#8217;s own.</p>
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		<title>By: Argg</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to read two of these books for free, the right price, Cory Doctorow offers a free download of his novel of youth revolt against Homeland Security, Little Brother, at: 
http://craphound.com/littlebrother/
(It just won an award in Canada for best Canadian young adult novel of 2008.).
The publisher of Kim Stanley Robinson&#039;s RED MARS book also offers a free download of the book at:
http://www.suvudu.com/freelibrary/
with the idea that you will then want to buy and read the other two books of the trilogy--Blue Mars and Green Mars. (there&#039;s a few other free downloadable books also listed on that page.).
Free is a good price. Unfortunately, there is no such thing as downloadable food.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to read two of these books for free, the right price, Cory Doctorow offers a free download of his novel of youth revolt against Homeland Security, Little Brother, at:<br />
<a href="http://craphound.com/littlebrother/" rel="nofollow">http://craphound.com/littlebrother/</a><br />
(It just won an award in Canada for best Canadian young adult novel of 2008.).<br />
The publisher of Kim Stanley Robinson&#8217;s RED MARS book also offers a free download of the book at:<br />
<a href="http://www.suvudu.com/freelibrary/" rel="nofollow">http://www.suvudu.com/freelibrary/</a><br />
with the idea that you will then want to buy and read the other two books of the trilogy&#8211;Blue Mars and Green Mars. (there&#8217;s a few other free downloadable books also listed on that page.).<br />
Free is a good price. Unfortunately, there is no such thing as downloadable food.</p>
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		<title>By: zerohour</title>
		<link>http://kasamaproject.org/2009/05/10/science-fiction-for-socialists/#comment-13677</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a great list.  There are many books here I&#039;ve never heard of which I&#039;m now eager to read.

I&#039;d like to add William Gibson&#039;s &quot;cyberpunk trilogy&quot; [also known as &quot;the Sprawl trilogy&quot;]: &lt;i&gt;Neuromancer&lt;/i&gt; [1984], &lt;i&gt;Count Zero&lt;/i&gt; [1986], &lt;i&gt;Mona Lisa Overdrive&lt;/i&gt; [1988], and his collection of short stories &lt;i&gt;Burning Chrome&lt;/i&gt; [1986].

In these writings Gibson postulates a future in which social revolution has not happened and capital has become omnipresent.  These are not his terms, but it is the background in which the stories take place.  Neither utopian nor dystopian, Gibson&#039;s stance seems more like that of an ambivalent liberal technophile who sees value in the intertwining dynamics of technology proliferation and capital accumulation, while deeply disturbed by their terrible social/economic/cultural costs.

Just as capital in the form of the individual capitalist gave way to the corporation, Gibson speculates on how capital could mutate again through the mediation of technology.  The state as we know it is either non-existent, or has its functions recuperated in other forms.  Conflict is displaced and dispersed due to ever-fragmenting subjectivity [also mediated by technology] which prevents people from being able to muster totalizing concepts such as &quot;mode of production&quot; or &quot;class struggle&quot;.

The cyberpunk trilogy helped generate much of the symbolism and cultural sensibility of the last couple of decades.  More than many other sci-fi novels, they mainly succeed not in predicting the future [though they have provided some prescient insights] but in situating our present as history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great list.  There are many books here I&#8217;ve never heard of which I&#8217;m now eager to read.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to add William Gibson&#8217;s &#8220;cyberpunk trilogy&#8221; [also known as "the Sprawl trilogy"]: <i>Neuromancer</i> [1984], <i>Count Zero</i> [1986], <i>Mona Lisa Overdrive</i> [1988], and his collection of short stories <i>Burning Chrome</i> [1986].</p>
<p>In these writings Gibson postulates a future in which social revolution has not happened and capital has become omnipresent.  These are not his terms, but it is the background in which the stories take place.  Neither utopian nor dystopian, Gibson&#8217;s stance seems more like that of an ambivalent liberal technophile who sees value in the intertwining dynamics of technology proliferation and capital accumulation, while deeply disturbed by their terrible social/economic/cultural costs.</p>
<p>Just as capital in the form of the individual capitalist gave way to the corporation, Gibson speculates on how capital could mutate again through the mediation of technology.  The state as we know it is either non-existent, or has its functions recuperated in other forms.  Conflict is displaced and dispersed due to ever-fragmenting subjectivity [also mediated by technology] which prevents people from being able to muster totalizing concepts such as &#8220;mode of production&#8221; or &#8220;class struggle&#8221;.</p>
<p>The cyberpunk trilogy helped generate much of the symbolism and cultural sensibility of the last couple of decades.  More than many other sci-fi novels, they mainly succeed not in predicting the future [though they have provided some prescient insights] but in situating our present as history.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddy Laing</title>
		<link>http://kasamaproject.org/2009/05/10/science-fiction-for-socialists/#comment-13638</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How is it possible to separate &#039;overall quality&#039; (and which &#039;quality&#039;?) from &#039;ideological content&#039; in any art expression? Certainly one (of several) &#039;overall quality&#039; of every artistic activity is its ideological purpose; all art is symbolizing activity, it exists as ideology, &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/I&gt; even though it is expressed in physical forms; as graphics, on canvas, in sound, etc.

I suspect that there are multiple psycho-cultural correlations between someone&#039;s way of life or approach to life (or &#039;reality&#039;) and having an affinity for strict literal narrative forms (whether literary or visual or musical), which one finds to be (comfortingly?) unambiguous and reinforce existing world-views (even if those world views are &#039;subaltern&#039;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it possible to separate &#8216;overall quality&#8217; (and which &#8216;quality&#8217;?) from &#8216;ideological content&#8217; in any art expression? Certainly one (of several) &#8216;overall quality&#8217; of every artistic activity is its ideological purpose; all art is symbolizing activity, it exists as ideology, <i>per se</i> even though it is expressed in physical forms; as graphics, on canvas, in sound, etc.</p>
<p>I suspect that there are multiple psycho-cultural correlations between someone&#8217;s way of life or approach to life (or &#8216;reality&#8217;) and having an affinity for strict literal narrative forms (whether literary or visual or musical), which one finds to be (comfortingly?) unambiguous and reinforce existing world-views (even if those world views are &#8216;subaltern&#8217;).</p>
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		<title>By: zerohour</title>
		<link>http://kasamaproject.org/2009/05/10/science-fiction-for-socialists/#comment-13634</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There are important questions of production and representation that come into play.&quot;

It should say: &quot;There are &lt;i&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; important questions of &lt;i&gt;context&lt;/i&gt;, production and representation that come into play, and they are not always so easily resolved by stuffing them into pre-fabricated ideological boxes.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are important questions of production and representation that come into play.&#8221;</p>
<p>It should say: &#8220;There are <i>also</i> important questions of <i>context</i>, production and representation that come into play, and they are not always so easily resolved by stuffing them into pre-fabricated ideological boxes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: zerohour</title>
		<link>http://kasamaproject.org/2009/05/10/science-fiction-for-socialists/#comment-13633</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;This is the opposite of putting politics in command, which is why I said I would probably never be a ‘real’ communist.&quot;

This view is just as mechanical as the one you [rightfully] reject.

I happen to be a fan of the original &lt;i&gt;Star Trek&lt;/i&gt; series.  While there were glimpses of liberal sentiment, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a stretch to say that it was fundamentally a narrative of benign colonialism.  Let&#039;s not even get into the oblique racial stereotyping [warlike Klingons are pretty dark-skinned, the nearly emotionless Spock has slanted...ears].  What I enjoyed was the character interaction and the adventure.

My point is that our desires are conflicted and this is no cause for shame.  It&#039;s just part of the experience of living in class society.  Purity is no solution, rather we should take responsibility and be clear about our decisions.  Culture should not be reduced to where it falls on some sort of political correctness meter with &quot;reactionary&quot; on one end and &quot;revolutionary&quot; on the other.  Some of the best political culture attempts to struggle with ambiguity and complexity, and is often more interesting and thought-provoking than work that is explicitly progressive or radical, but lacking in nuance.

A political read of culture is not about looking for &quot;the message&quot; or &quot;the line&quot;.  There are important questions of production and representation that come into play.  This doesn&#039;t mean that one can&#039;t just sit back and enjoy the visceral experience of great music or a great movie.  Aesthetic expression invokes heightened emotional responses, mainly pleasure, but it would be naive to forget that it also transmits ideology.

I would think a &#039;real&#039; communist would remember that politics is about people, not dogma.

&quot;I’m more interested in the overall quality rather than the ideological content.&quot;

I have to admit a sympathy for this position, but it still fails to understand that aesthetic is a sort of content too.  I would rather listen to Radiohead than Rage Against the Machine any day.  Even though the latter was explicitly revolutionary, the former is more musically interesting.  The music of Radiohead contains intimations of possibility and recombination, whereas the music of RATM is very focused and in a way, closed off from further development.  Which then, is truly more radical?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is the opposite of putting politics in command, which is why I said I would probably never be a ‘real’ communist.&#8221;</p>
<p>This view is just as mechanical as the one you [rightfully] reject.</p>
<p>I happen to be a fan of the original <i>Star Trek</i> series.  While there were glimpses of liberal sentiment, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a stretch to say that it was fundamentally a narrative of benign colonialism.  Let&#8217;s not even get into the oblique racial stereotyping [warlike Klingons are pretty dark-skinned, the nearly emotionless Spock has slanted...ears].  What I enjoyed was the character interaction and the adventure.</p>
<p>My point is that our desires are conflicted and this is no cause for shame.  It&#8217;s just part of the experience of living in class society.  Purity is no solution, rather we should take responsibility and be clear about our decisions.  Culture should not be reduced to where it falls on some sort of political correctness meter with &#8220;reactionary&#8221; on one end and &#8220;revolutionary&#8221; on the other.  Some of the best political culture attempts to struggle with ambiguity and complexity, and is often more interesting and thought-provoking than work that is explicitly progressive or radical, but lacking in nuance.</p>
<p>A political read of culture is not about looking for &#8220;the message&#8221; or &#8220;the line&#8221;.  There are important questions of production and representation that come into play.  This doesn&#8217;t mean that one can&#8217;t just sit back and enjoy the visceral experience of great music or a great movie.  Aesthetic expression invokes heightened emotional responses, mainly pleasure, but it would be naive to forget that it also transmits ideology.</p>
<p>I would think a &#8216;real&#8217; communist would remember that politics is about people, not dogma.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m more interested in the overall quality rather than the ideological content.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have to admit a sympathy for this position, but it still fails to understand that aesthetic is a sort of content too.  I would rather listen to Radiohead than Rage Against the Machine any day.  Even though the latter was explicitly revolutionary, the former is more musically interesting.  The music of Radiohead contains intimations of possibility and recombination, whereas the music of RATM is very focused and in a way, closed off from further development.  Which then, is truly more radical?</p>
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		<title>By: BobH</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since I&#039;m the one who made the crack about people&#039;s cultural preferences being in lock-step with their politics, I thought I&#039;d elaborate a bit.

It&#039;s been my experience in general that the more deeply involved in radical politics people are, the more narrow-minded and hyper-critical they tend to be about culture.  There&#039;s seemingly a need to be more publicly critical about a cultural piece, a kind of critical one-upmanship.  This is often accompanied by considerable joylessness, it seemed to me.

For instance, twice I&#039;ve watched the movie &lt;i&gt;Reds&lt;/i&gt; with communist friends who&#039;ve sniffed something like &quot;well, it was OK, but I wish they&#039;d shown more Lenin and the revolution&quot;.  It&#039;s a movie about John Reed, about the intersection of the personal and political in his life, fer cripes sakes. It&#039;s not meant to be hagiography about the Bolsheviks.

I&#039;ve met RCP&#039;ers who just didn&#039;t read fiction at all, unless the party recommended/sold it, in which case it&#039;s &quot;what did you think about XXX&quot;?  Cultural as political talking points.

Or when &quot;The Lord of the Rings&quot; movie came out, there were all kinds of people online debating whether Tolkien was a fascist or merely reactionary.  No one wants to hear that Tolkien himself argued that the root of the tragedy in his story is the elves&#039; unwillingness to accept change, and hence create the magic rings that were their undoing.

As a kid I read and enjoyed all kinds of semi-reactionary stuff that I got something positive from; e.g. from Tolkien, a deeper appreciation for languages, history, geography, etc.  I would never tell a kid, &quot;oh, don&#039;t read that, he&#039;s against progress and spokesman for the decaying English middle-class&quot;.

The Michael Moorcock essay I linked to above is a brilliant bit of criticism of the reactionary character of much of science fiction, although he seems to grudgingly admit that he enjoyed some stuff more than he ought to.  While I enjoyed the essay and agree with much of it, I&#039;ve reached the point where I enjoy culture largely for escapist reasons, where I basically want to turn off my critical side and enjoy the ride.  If there&#039;s progressive content (e.g. LeGuin) great.  If not, oh well. I&#039;m more interested in the overall quality rather than the ideological content.

So basically when I work with communist and radical people, I avoid talking about culture and stick to politics.  This is a very un-Marxist position, a reject of ruthless criticism of all that is, but there it is. I know every cultural work has all kinds of explicit and implicit politics, but I&#039;ll probably enjoy it more if I let the politics slide, and focus on what I find interesting about the work.  This is the opposite of putting politics in command, which is why I said I would probably never be a &#039;real&#039; communist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;m the one who made the crack about people&#8217;s cultural preferences being in lock-step with their politics, I thought I&#8217;d elaborate a bit.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been my experience in general that the more deeply involved in radical politics people are, the more narrow-minded and hyper-critical they tend to be about culture.  There&#8217;s seemingly a need to be more publicly critical about a cultural piece, a kind of critical one-upmanship.  This is often accompanied by considerable joylessness, it seemed to me.</p>
<p>For instance, twice I&#8217;ve watched the movie <i>Reds</i> with communist friends who&#8217;ve sniffed something like &#8220;well, it was OK, but I wish they&#8217;d shown more Lenin and the revolution&#8221;.  It&#8217;s a movie about John Reed, about the intersection of the personal and political in his life, fer cripes sakes. It&#8217;s not meant to be hagiography about the Bolsheviks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met RCP&#8217;ers who just didn&#8217;t read fiction at all, unless the party recommended/sold it, in which case it&#8217;s &#8220;what did you think about XXX&#8221;?  Cultural as political talking points.</p>
<p>Or when &#8220;The Lord of the Rings&#8221; movie came out, there were all kinds of people online debating whether Tolkien was a fascist or merely reactionary.  No one wants to hear that Tolkien himself argued that the root of the tragedy in his story is the elves&#8217; unwillingness to accept change, and hence create the magic rings that were their undoing.</p>
<p>As a kid I read and enjoyed all kinds of semi-reactionary stuff that I got something positive from; e.g. from Tolkien, a deeper appreciation for languages, history, geography, etc.  I would never tell a kid, &#8220;oh, don&#8217;t read that, he&#8217;s against progress and spokesman for the decaying English middle-class&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Michael Moorcock essay I linked to above is a brilliant bit of criticism of the reactionary character of much of science fiction, although he seems to grudgingly admit that he enjoyed some stuff more than he ought to.  While I enjoyed the essay and agree with much of it, I&#8217;ve reached the point where I enjoy culture largely for escapist reasons, where I basically want to turn off my critical side and enjoy the ride.  If there&#8217;s progressive content (e.g. LeGuin) great.  If not, oh well. I&#8217;m more interested in the overall quality rather than the ideological content.</p>
<p>So basically when I work with communist and radical people, I avoid talking about culture and stick to politics.  This is a very un-Marxist position, a reject of ruthless criticism of all that is, but there it is. I know every cultural work has all kinds of explicit and implicit politics, but I&#8217;ll probably enjoy it more if I let the politics slide, and focus on what I find interesting about the work.  This is the opposite of putting politics in command, which is why I said I would probably never be a &#8216;real&#8217; communist.</p>
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