Quotes of a System's Candidates
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- Created on Tuesday, 22 January 2008 08:35
- Written by Gov. Mike Huckabee
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We need to document revealing quotes from the contenders for this system's presidency.
Huckabee upholding states' rights and the symbol of slavery
Here is Huckabee's quote defending the waving of slavery's Confederate Battle Flag (always a hotbutton issue for rallying the most reactionary forces in South Carolina):
Gov. Mike Huckabee (currently the main candidate of the Religious Right)
"You don't like people from outside the state coming in and telling you what to do with your flag. In fact, if somebody came to Arkansas and told us what to do with our flag, we'd tell 'em what to do with the pole; that's what we'd do."
The suggestion of anal pole-insertion has its distinct echoes in the reactionary codewords and Huckabee's anti-gay politics.
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<b>Dems' Me-Too Support for Nuclear Threat Against Iran</b>
Early in the campaign, various Dems were critical of Bush's open belligerence and nuclear threats in the middle east. As the race became more serious, that evaporated. Over the last year, the three leading Democratic candidates have <a href="/http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/02/26/dems_metoo_iran_talk.php" rel="nofollow">repeatedly</a> stated their support for nuclear threats on Iran, and for American nuclear threat in general.
Hillary Clinton told the AIPAC annual convention (the main pro-Israel lobby) at the end of January 2007,
<b>“In dealing with this threat ... no option can be taken off the table.” </b>
At the conference of the National Association of Black Journalists in Las Vegas during summer 2007, Clinton cautioned against any criticism of a permanent state of American nuclear threat against other countries:
<b>"Presidents since the Cold War have used nuclear deterrence to keep the peace. And I don't believe that any president should make any blanket statements with respect to the use or nonuse of nuclear weapons."</b>
"Keep the peace" in this context translates as maintaining the U.S. empire through bullying smaller countries and nuclear rivals.
Former senator John Edwards was even more vehement in a speech on Iran at a 2007 Herzliya Conference in Israel.
<b>“To ensure that Iran never gets nuclear weapons, we need to keep all options on the table.”</b>
Edwards repeated this several times.
Sen. Barack Obama, appearing on “60 Minutes” in early 2007, declared,
<b>“I think we should keep all options on the table.”</b>
He repeated this in a Nov. 2, 2007 <a href="/http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/02/us/politics/02obama.html" rel="nofollow">interview </a> with the New York Times. (In this same interview he added that he did not support removing all U.S. troops from Iraq: "Mr. Obama has also talked about keeping a limited force in Iraq after withdrawing American combat units at the rate of one or two per month.")
Often people in the U.S. have been taught to believe that U.S. nuclear threats are a protection against "madmen with nukes." For that reason it is worth pointing out that the only madmen who actually ever used nuclear weapons was the Truman government of the United States and the U.S. Air Force which destroyed two cities and their civilian populations in Japan in 1945. The "madmen with nukes" sit in Washington DC, and aspiring "madmen with nukes" are raging on the campaign trail.
Who has the basic quotes on the Dem's and the occupation of Iraq: their underlying agreement with the Bush government that "being responsible" means understanding that occupying troops will "have to" stay for years (or even decades) with various "missions"?0 Like -
Guest (zerohour)
PermalinkDo you know of any good sources that detail how the political system actually works from a radical viewpoint? I think all of us on this site are in agreement that it is an imperialist system and have no illusions about what elections mean but it would help if we could account for it better than having to rely on generalities.
Here is an example of what I do not find helpful when discussing elections: http://revcom.us/a/115/obama-en.html. While it points out the horrors of US society, any well-versed reformist can explain them away as incidental, the result of bad policies, incompetence, or popular non-cooperation.
Many radicals in the US can't even explain how a law gets passed. In contrast, I've often been struck by how many comrades I've met from other countries who know the nuts and bolts of their political systems. I'm sure this helps a great deal when they argue against reformism that they can show why a procedure or institution, even if it holds an apparent promise of radical possibility is actually self-undermining in its normal functioning.
I've never found it effective to point out that we need a revolution because the persistence of racism proves that the US is beyond hope of reform.0 Like -
I deeply agree with the point you are making: that we need to make a living critique of the political system we are living under, in ways that lay bare why fundamental change can't happen through that system.
And many of the criticisms I have made about the RCP's approach to religion, apply to the discussion of elections and the political structure: there is a startling lack of particularity and analysis based on deep investigation. A great deal of Avakian's work is (again) base don a textual and historical read of the Constitution, and a general exposure of the society it frames. But there is little about the particular parties, the dynamics of how candidates emerge, the role of money in the choice of political leaders, the restrictions on minor parties in "winner take all" elections, and so on.
I think we have to generate that critique of U.S. electoral democracy as part of our unfolding (and much overdue) theoretical project. And as part of that, we need to study and grasp the existing research and exposure that others have done (the kinds of sources you ask for in your post, Zerohour.)
I wrote a great deal of the RCP's electoral coverage over the last two decades. I have thought about this quite a bit, and will have quite a bit to say, when we actually get into this.
And it is important: the forces needed for revolution are today entranced by the electoral process. The arguments for revolution have (in my experience, and I believe more generally) not been sharp enough to pierce the levels of illusion and cooptation. And if we can't win broad layers of people away from the liberal Democrats (and the illusions of electoralism generally), including in the context of future political crises, then there really will not be a genuine revolutionary movement and project.0 Like -
Guest (ulises)
PermalinkEven Avakian's "close textual read" is of an amateurish nature, so it's not simply that text is his main source. Though a major problem with a close textual read is that there is an infinite amount and variety of interpretations of the Constitution. A brief look at Supreme Court case history will quickly dissavow a person of the notion that the Constitution means what it says. If Churches develop complicated justifications in the form of theology, courts are not so different with regards to law. In general, formal rules and laws are only one side of very complex relationship with informal traditions, customs, and power politics. And I would argue the formal aspect of this relationship is of a secondary nature.
I recommend basic reading in Locke, Rousseau, Montesquieu, etc. But especially a read of the Federalist Papers, which is an analysis of the Constitution by Hamilton and Madison, who were members of ultimately opposing factions in the bourgeoisie's political currents (Hamilton being the progenitor of the ideology upheld by The Federalist Society, and Madison ultimately finding common ground with much of the Jeffersonian view.)
As for the actual machinations of the political machinery in the United States... this is a very difficult thing to get into as there are a wide array of manifestations, but I would recommend a read of "Plunkitt of Tammany Hall: A Series of Very Plain Talks on Very Practical Politics". This is one particular strain of American politics and typifies, to one degree or another, "the way it works". The only other way to learn about these things is to either get involved in electoral politics, or to follow it very closely. "The War Room" was an interesting up close take on the machinations of presidential campaigning.0 Like -
Guest (ulises)
PermalinkOops, I forgot your qualifier of "a radical viewpoint". But even so I would argue that we all need to dig into what is out there, and we ourselves have to make sense out of it from a radical viewpoint. What's more difficult is not making this "radical viewpoint" a catechism in the process of analyzing the world.
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Guest (Blackstone)
PermalinkYeah, disregard RCP and their amateurish analysis and theories.
Who Rules America by G. William Domhoff; a website here
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/national.html
Policy-Planning Organizations: Elite Agendas and America's Rightward Turn. by J. G. Peschek
I also suggest Inner Circle, which can also by found at amazon.com
In regards to Who Rules America, it answers mostly all of your questions raised in your comments and backs it up with statistics and empirical evidence. No anecdotes you are use to seeing in RCP analysis.
If Avakian wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do serious study.0 Like -
Guest (zerohour)
PermalinkThe sad thing is that it's a mixed bag, but I've met RCP supporters who are well-read. I just remembered that one of them introduced me to Domhoff's book years ago [but I never read it so I should probably get an updated version]. It's a shame that such erudition isn't consistently reflected in their analysis, or more common among their supporters.
Also, I found Ira Katznelson's "The Politics of Power" which is specifically about workings of the US government.0 Like



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