- Category: Kasama
- Created on Friday, 25 May 2012 07:37
- Written by Roberto
"I cannot believe the words I’ve been reading here....
"Why work hard, when it will be taken away and spread around to those that choose not to?
"Men and women need to live free, but under an organized social and moral law.... I agree that there needs to be some form of revolution; but communism has been an ultimate and bloody failure throughout history."
Kasama doesn't usually post essays by people opposed to communism. In fact we routinely remove almost all comments written from a conservative perspective (since they generally bring our discussions down).
But in this case, Roberto took the time to pose a series of questions to Kasama's project from an anti-communist perspective -- and he concentrates issues that many quite sincere people, especially in the middle classes, raise about our communist project.
He asks, for example, what the initiative would be to work hard in a society of redistributed wealth. He makes a familiar (and pointed) challenge from those who feel they have experienced real socialism already (in Cuba or eastern Europe).
He questions whether people making demands on the system (like the participants of Occupy) don't really just want something for nothing -- in a world where their own hard work would actually bring them what they need. And he sees the experience of his own family -- their departure from Yugoslavia and their subsequent success in Canadian business -- as proof of his own political views.
If you want, this thread might be a place to collectively discuss how we answer such questions in a popular way -- and what our experiences have been with people who challenge our communist convictions from this pro-capitalist ideological and political place.
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Roberto was reading our essay The Kasama Project: Walk the revolutionary road with us, which starts:
“Above all: Let’s consciously go for the whole thing. The change we want is about taking the accumulated wealth, technology, hard work, science, and connections of a complex global civilization — and finally (finally!) putting it into the service of us all, including the very least and previously powerless among us. It is about the voiceless suddenly speaking, and the wealthy suddenly becoming silent.”
Roberto then wrote his challenge in the following thread:
So what happens to people like me?
I am working hard at my business 14 hours per day, 6 days a week, accumulating, saving and investing my wealth where I can, in order to leave some security for my family when I am gone? I also employ many, contributing to their lives as well. My hard work, self sacrifice and risk is to be leveraged among those who chose not to.
I believe in giving back to those who need the help and are UNABLE to help themselves due to physical limitations. I volunteer, I donate, I pray.
I believe in the Libertarian movement, where I want less intervention from government; you are proposing a tyrannical system or ‘Big Brother’, which is no different that the current botched-up system we live in. My family came from socialism (or should I say '‘ran from’'), where everyone lived unmotivated, pointless existences.
Why work hard, when it will be taken away and spread around to those that choose not to?
Men and women need to live free, but under an organized social and moral law. The leaders that you glorify were mass murderers. I cannot believe the words I’ve been reading here. I agree that there needs to be some form of revolution; but communism has been an ultimate and bloody failure throughout history.
The Occupy Movements are often personified by the entitled youth, who have not contributed a thing to society in their few years of living on this earth (monetarily, nor with their time in volunteering, nor have they started their own families to realize the realities and responsibilities of life we face every day), but want everything handed to them and made easy. I’ve been there, too, as a ideological teen and young adult.
Opportunity exists for everyone; many stories are written indicating how many have rose from impoverished existence, to a life of reasonable comfort, including my parents. If all the ‘Occupiers’ would instead devote all their ‘occupying time’ to physically assist those that need it, we wouldn’t need a governing socialist agenda; humanity would have taken care of it. I’ve worked in Africa with orphans and widows, and have truly witnessed despair. The organizations I worked with have returned dignity and health to many of those communities, where they are now SELF-SUSTAINING. The solutions exist, if people are more willing to give of themselves, instead of looking for what’s in it for them.